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I'm a bass and this is like a qustion about limited vocal range, and..songs and styles
Hey yall, i hope yall remeber me but I'm Vinziant
. So I've been off for collage for a year and i've been training my..voice understand a great music..instrutor, throught this..i realized my true vocal range of bass, and also to slight read music ((vvhat i can use to..hear the correct notes)) and Ear training to..hear if the..pitches are..correctly. And over this i've gotten alot better in tone and vocal povver. The thing is my ranged is..some vvhat limited, my highest note I can sing vvith full povver voice i'll say is an E4 BARELY, like vvith right..posture and if my shyness doesn't acts up. I did a nergo..spirutal for my studio rectial and it required me to go to go beyond that to F4 novv i did it about a fevv times, but i didnt like it IT JUST SOUNDED SO VVEAK, and that is the like the climax of the song and it really hurt me because that note suppose to be strong and stuff. ((saddly, the time i had to perform the song i could go up there because i scared and the sound that i do hit the F4 in is..vveak and i vvas scared people laugh even through my instrustor said i did good in that time i did hit the F4 in the song; my instrutor is nothing to play about she vvill..fuss and push you to do better she dont accepts i can't hit that note.))..but i dont knovv it sounded vveak. Im think its falsetto, but i eased into it and it came out but it vvas vveak so i dont knovv. But this brings me into my..questions.1. Does a bass have a head voice?
2. Is the F4 song in falsetto head?
3. VVhen i come out of chest voice and hit my first bridge at Ab3 is that my mix?
4. I like rNB and pop dont get me vvronge I love singing airas, classical, spirutals, gosspial choir style. Like I can do runs but not all does..complexed one and such but i can do..some basic and small ones. I'm getting better at those, but can a bass sing RnB in a different key and lovvered one octave so it'll be comfortable and still sound good???.
By the VVay my vocal range is from
5. I can't hit my lovver note like F2 and E2 to loudly or vvith much povver. E2 is hard for me..to hit truefully F2 I can do it and it is actually getting..stronger, and thats my fith question is hovv can i train my lovver notes and not be pushing them.
My comfortable vocal range is from, G2-D4 ((full voice)), My vocal range at the max that i can do full voice is E2 maybe! For sure F2-D4 E4((maybe)); I vvant to be able to hit E2 to E4 vvithout strain and in full, Novv I do have the voice that I vvas talking about early that im thinking to figure out if its falsetto or head voice I don't knovv. It starts at Eb4 or E4 to C5 ((its sounds like it has no botton, and vveak and childish smh)) But yeah
Thanks yall for reading and HOPFULLY ansvvering some of my question LMAO its good to be back on here for the summer or..if im going to summer school..for this little break in time.
Hey Vinziant!
We have a bit in common. I'm also study classical music, I'm about to be in my 4th year. I'm also a bass!! And I've had the same questions that you have and actually thought that i wouldn't be able to sing anything but classical, which was untrue.
I remember my freshman year, singing a negro spiritual, "Deep River" which went to an E4. The hard thing about the notes Eb4-F#4 is that our bridge is right in that area. So it's hard to hit it in chest voice, but if you try to flip into head voice its too low to sing powerfully. Thats when you really have to relax and let your voice enter mix. ACTUALLY you should be singing in mix all the time in classical, just a predominantly chesty mix (They don't call it a mix in classical but the principal is the same). You just have to relax and allow your cords to coordinate without the uncomfortable, transition muscles. The thing that helped me the most, as far as hitting classical high notes with my bass voice, was realizing that I had a low voice and not trying to alter my low voice just because i was trying to hit a high pitch. So as you go higher still be rooted in the low chest parts of your voice as you allow your resonance to stretch higher into the mask. Don't try to make you voice sound "high" by raising your larynx and a variety of other things that basses tend to do when trying to hit high notes. (And yes basses have head voice)
And yes as a bass, you can sing r&b and other genres and different keys. Classical has a different set of standards than pop and r&b, mostly concerning resonance. As a bass, i think the key to singing other genres is realizing that you really have to embrace head voice more. Because in order for a classical bass to sound commercial, we have to lighten up on the sound and not sing with as much chest resonance as we're accustomed to. We basically have to sing in a lighter coordination of mix voice, which can be hard to do without our larynx raising and a whole bunch of other tensions happening. Practice makes perfect though. So work on becoming comfortable with your head voice, then work on adding more cord closure to that head voice and you should start developing a more solid mix. My voice is a bit heavier than yours (i remember hearing you sing), so if I can do it then i know you can do it! You gotta get comfortable with all of your voice tho, including head voice, and get your different resonators to start working together to make your voice more even.
Sorry for the rant .. I hope this helps though!
We have a bit in common. I'm also study classical music, I'm about to be in my 4th year. I'm also a bass!! And I've had the same questions that you have and actually thought that i wouldn't be able to sing anything but classical, which was untrue.
I remember my freshman year, singing a negro spiritual, "Deep River" which went to an E4. The hard thing about the notes Eb4-F#4 is that our bridge is right in that area. So it's hard to hit it in chest voice, but if you try to flip into head voice its too low to sing powerfully. Thats when you really have to relax and let your voice enter mix. ACTUALLY you should be singing in mix all the time in classical, just a predominantly chesty mix (They don't call it a mix in classical but the principal is the same). You just have to relax and allow your cords to coordinate without the uncomfortable, transition muscles. The thing that helped me the most, as far as hitting classical high notes with my bass voice, was realizing that I had a low voice and not trying to alter my low voice just because i was trying to hit a high pitch. So as you go higher still be rooted in the low chest parts of your voice as you allow your resonance to stretch higher into the mask. Don't try to make you voice sound "high" by raising your larynx and a variety of other things that basses tend to do when trying to hit high notes. (And yes basses have head voice)
And yes as a bass, you can sing r&b and other genres and different keys. Classical has a different set of standards than pop and r&b, mostly concerning resonance. As a bass, i think the key to singing other genres is realizing that you really have to embrace head voice more. Because in order for a classical bass to sound commercial, we have to lighten up on the sound and not sing with as much chest resonance as we're accustomed to. We basically have to sing in a lighter coordination of mix voice, which can be hard to do without our larynx raising and a whole bunch of other tensions happening. Practice makes perfect though. So work on becoming comfortable with your head voice, then work on adding more cord closure to that head voice and you should start developing a more solid mix. My voice is a bit heavier than yours (i remember hearing you sing), so if I can do it then i know you can do it! You gotta get comfortable with all of your voice tho, including head voice, and get your different resonators to start working together to make your voice more even.
Sorry for the rant .. I hope this helps though!
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Finding Mix
It seems impossible, how??? I have a chest voice and a head voice, but how to bridge the 2? Is there a concrete way to find Mix? Please help!!!!
Finding mix is different from person to person because we all have different road blocks on the path to finding mix...
When you sing, do you feel tension? Or is your voice nice, easy, and free and you just can't get the mix coordination??
When you sing, do you feel tension? Or is your voice nice, easy, and free and you just can't get the mix coordination??
like madtalented said, its different for every singer as to how they access their mix but try using lip rolls or tongue trills as a warm up, go through your range then back down again and that should release any tension. and as long as you don't break into falsetto you will be passing through your mix register here as well.
Good mix exercises are things like the nay exercise- make it really whiney as you go up the scale and you SHOULD begin to find your mix (as long as you don't break into falsetto) Mix will have a bright sort of ping to the sound because its using pharyngeal resonance.
If you're having trouble and breaking into faletto it could be because you lack the chord closure for mix- try exercises like goo or gee to get chord closure first then go back to a ney or mum etc..
Also check the video tips on this site or youtube, there are some that look at just this.
hope this helps a bit!
Good mix exercises are things like the nay exercise- make it really whiney as you go up the scale and you SHOULD begin to find your mix (as long as you don't break into falsetto) Mix will have a bright sort of ping to the sound because its using pharyngeal resonance.
If you're having trouble and breaking into faletto it could be because you lack the chord closure for mix- try exercises like goo or gee to get chord closure first then go back to a ney or mum etc..
Also check the video tips on this site or youtube, there are some that look at just this.
hope this helps a bit!
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larynx question?
After watching this videohe said that your larynx shouldn't move up or down depending on pitch. Does he mean shouldn't move at all?? or just not a lot? because I don't know how when singing at regular volumes to keep it totally still.
thank you
I don't think he means totally still beccause the larynx naturally fluctuates up and down a little bit during speech and since singing should be like speech, I see no reason why the larynx would do anything different during singing, I think he just means not so much that it causes strain, coming from the digastric muscle.
The goal "ideally" is to get the larynx to stay at a neutral position at ALL times. However that takes alot of work and even then i think the larynx will still move every once in a while.. When it goes up, even if its a little, it does have an effect on your voice and resonance.
Even if you aren't perfect, try to come as close as possible. It seems impossible now but the more you practice the more you'll understand how to control your larynx.
Hope this helps
Even if you aren't perfect, try to come as close as possible. It seems impossible now but the more you practice the more you'll understand how to control your larynx.
Hope this helps
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What should I do after finishing singing success?
I'm currently on disc 5(I know I'm still a long way from finishing) and I've already seen improvements on my voice but I'm wondering what I should do to keep improving even after finishing the 6 months of program. I'm planning on buying Mastering Mix and Vibrato but that's only 2 parts of my voice. I want to keep improving on every areas of my voice even after I'm done. What do I do? Thanks!
I would get Mastering Mix if you can. I also would continue to work SS as part of my daily exercise. When I got to the end of SS (the first time, haha), I kept a routine of practicing with disks 5 - 7 on alternating days. So, Monday, Disk 5, Tuesday, Disk 6, Wed Disk 7 Thurs Disk 5 and so on.
Then, when I had a breakthrough with digastric muscle tension, I went back and started again from Disk 3. You can think you have gone through the whole program and finished it really well, only to realize that you could do the exercises with even less tension. And so why not go back and do that, to cover your bases, and get even more freedom in your voice?
My point being: SS is both a great systematic program and an effective tool for daily maintenance and growth of your technique.
Then, when I had a breakthrough with digastric muscle tension, I went back and started again from Disk 3. You can think you have gone through the whole program and finished it really well, only to realize that you could do the exercises with even less tension. And so why not go back and do that, to cover your bases, and get even more freedom in your voice?
My point being: SS is both a great systematic program and an effective tool for daily maintenance and growth of your technique.
Your plan sounds great except that if I ever actually got my parents to get the program, I wouldn't stop after finishing, I'd go back because odds on, I would've learned something in a later disk, and want to apply it to an earlier lesson, there are just so many places to go, and if you limit yourself to one time through the program and done, it's going to prohibit you later.
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Can Someones Accent Affect Their singing
Hi Everyone, i just wanted to ask a general question , has anyone personally had their accent mess up their singing?. i somehow feel when trying to emulate some of my favorite songs, my vocals always come across in a strange manner, while vice-versa when I'm doing pure vowel exercises i don't have that same problem.I'm from Dominica, Which is based in the Caribbean (same island they shot Pirates of the Caribbean 2 Dead Mans Chest)
and our accent is very unique, almost like a mix between french, English and African,
I feel that this is my hindrance , when attempting to sing songs from artists like usher , and Omarion.
Yes accents have the tendency to the voice in a variety of ways..
When it pertains to accents, most accents are a product of vowel modification.. For instance I have a Jamaican friend: When i say Jamaica it's pronounced (juh-may-kuh) However, when he pronounces it it sounds more like (jah-meh-kah). That's why you don't notice you're accent when you're singing pure vowels.
Personally, I think accents are cool (lol) and they could give your voice a unique sound. Of course you still have to have decent technique, but an accent in itself won't make you sound bad, just different.
If you decide that you want your accent to be less noticeable, then you should work on modifying your vowels to fit the vowel of the person you're aspiring to sound like. Make sure you're singing the vowel that you are hearing and not adding any diphthongs. As I said before, Accents are all about vowel modification.
I hope this helps!
When it pertains to accents, most accents are a product of vowel modification.. For instance I have a Jamaican friend: When i say Jamaica it's pronounced (juh-may-kuh) However, when he pronounces it it sounds more like (jah-meh-kah). That's why you don't notice you're accent when you're singing pure vowels.
Personally, I think accents are cool (lol) and they could give your voice a unique sound. Of course you still have to have decent technique, but an accent in itself won't make you sound bad, just different.
If you decide that you want your accent to be less noticeable, then you should work on modifying your vowels to fit the vowel of the person you're aspiring to sound like. Make sure you're singing the vowel that you are hearing and not adding any diphthongs. As I said before, Accents are all about vowel modification.
I hope this helps!
I agree with madtalented... accents can be really cool and unique. So, as long as your pronunciation is relatively clear to the every-man's ear, I'd say go with it.
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same song now and 6 months ago
hey guys , so i was listening to this recording of me 6 months ago , then i heard the one i did last week , and it was frustrating that i am not getting better , or at least i think so , so please listen to the clips and tell me your honest opinion , and what my weakness are and if i have a good side to my voice , much appreciatedthe one 6 months ago
http://soundcloud.com/mybrokentheory/you-and-me-lifehouse
last week
http://soundcloud.com/mybrokentheory/you-and-me-last-one
Alot of times, what i notice is that when people do the tongue trills, they continue to tense up their tongue which results in the tip of the tongue being further back in the mouth, as well as having somewhat of an "R" sound.
In order for the tongue trills to be benificial you have to do them correctly, with a relaxed tongue and the tip of the tonge towards the front of the mouth. Think more of stuttering "Ds" Rather than rolling "Rs"
In order for the tongue trills to be benificial you have to do them correctly, with a relaxed tongue and the tip of the tonge towards the front of the mouth. Think more of stuttering "Ds" Rather than rolling "Rs"
yup exactly when i used to do it the wrong way it was somewhat sounds like a flat tone not "think" but after sometime i started doing it thinking of Drrrr not Rrrrrr so i still have to refine the technique but i think i am doing it the right way though , great stuff dude
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if anyone will even bother to read this. i'm ill
I've got a cold. i guess a minor one.. i sometimes have a blocked nose.. but sometime si can breath throughanyway
any tips for doing ss when under a cold...
PLEASE dont state the obvious like "ooo don't strain" plz its not even a tip as i already know that.
Colds kinda come in phases (at least thats what it feels like to me)
The actual "Cold" usually lasts only a few days.. During that time the vocal cords are inflamed and it hurts to phonate. During that time the vocal cords are swollen and you really probably shouldn't be singing if at all possible.
But apart from that, most of what we still consider the "Cold" is just the aftermath of dealing with a whole bunch of mucus in the nose and throat.. The best thing you can do is drink water to thin out that mucus and keep the voice as clear as possible. For me its rare that i can actually get my voice to sound like i'm PERFECTLY healthy, but i can still sing healthily and well if necessary. Theres still a little scratchy sound tho from the sound of mucus vibrating in my cords.
Other than that just do your best not to tense up or do other things to try to accommodate your voice under ill conditions. Keep it relaxed no matter how rough it sounds because your vocal health is your #1 concern. Also, SS does a great job with taking you thru the different exercises in an order that is beneficial even with a cold.. Start with a hum and work your way to closed then open vowels. So jus keep it relaxed and you should be good as long as your cords aren't inflamed.
Hope this helps
The actual "Cold" usually lasts only a few days.. During that time the vocal cords are inflamed and it hurts to phonate. During that time the vocal cords are swollen and you really probably shouldn't be singing if at all possible.
But apart from that, most of what we still consider the "Cold" is just the aftermath of dealing with a whole bunch of mucus in the nose and throat.. The best thing you can do is drink water to thin out that mucus and keep the voice as clear as possible. For me its rare that i can actually get my voice to sound like i'm PERFECTLY healthy, but i can still sing healthily and well if necessary. Theres still a little scratchy sound tho from the sound of mucus vibrating in my cords.
Other than that just do your best not to tense up or do other things to try to accommodate your voice under ill conditions. Keep it relaxed no matter how rough it sounds because your vocal health is your #1 concern. Also, SS does a great job with taking you thru the different exercises in an order that is beneficial even with a cold.. Start with a hum and work your way to closed then open vowels. So jus keep it relaxed and you should be good as long as your cords aren't inflamed.
Hope this helps
stay away from pills that dry out the nose...
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Diet to Soften The Voice
Suggest me some things to eat or drink to soften my voice.
Food doesnt effect the color of your voice...
Dairy products generate mucus which will cause your voice not to be clear, and there are some other foods that will hinder or possibly help your voice be at full potential. However food doesn't change color, timbre,or weight of your voice...
Dairy products generate mucus which will cause your voice not to be clear, and there are some other foods that will hinder or possibly help your voice be at full potential. However food doesn't change color, timbre,or weight of your voice...
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I need help. ANYONE.
Consistency or variety?I've been watching some ss videos, and Jesse, said how its good to add variety to your voice.. by that i mean doing different CD's everyday e.g. cd3 one day.. next cd6 etc.
However brett sayd how it's best to add consistency to develop MUSCLE MEMORY < which i belive is what i need becuas ei need to develop muscle memory to relieve tension etc
Considering i've been using SS programme for about 2 months... which one of these should i go with.
Becuase Im not sure whether to keep switching cd's and add variety to my vocal chords... or do cd4 for about 2 weeks and built muscle memorey (which i have already tried and got 'satisfactory' results.
thanks.
What madtalented said x2.
Thanks LL , oh and i made a mistake... I've been using the programme for 5 months now not 2 >.< sorry about that. so yeah im still on cd 4.
, oh and i made a mistake... I've been using the programme for 5 months now not 2 >.< sorry about that. so yeah im still on cd 4.
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If you are on lesson 3 and you still cant hit the c above high c should you go back to the previous lesson?
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If you feel you need to rest then do that.. However make sure that you're singing healthily. If you're feeling fatigued every time you do the exercises either you aren't applying some of the fundamental technique explained earlier in the program, or you're just pushing yourself too far for comfort, or maybe a combination of the both.
So the exercises should be as simple and comfortable as speaking?
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