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lilsekki

Name: Felix Jung
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Member Since: September 2010

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Singing light WITH cord closure!

Hey guys, a baritone here, and I've been trying to do everything light and right for a while now, but as soon as i get to the first bridge, my cords lose compression (even with nasal nays, heady GOs, mums, etc). I can stay connected when I stay really quiet, but I know for a fact that I don't have the pingy, ringing vocal closure up there. Vocal fry helps a little but I feel like I'm getting too little a progress here. Any advice? Should I strengthen my head voice more with Mastering Mix CD2? I can't seem to do MM CD4 very well past exercise 2 because of lack of cord closure..

Hello lilsekki!

I've recently had this same problem. The actual issue was that I was too focused on Mastering Mix, rather than being focused on the voice as a whole. As a result, I went back to Singing Success CD 3, got the actual technique for my voice together by singing light and right all the way through- kinda like completely starting over. The amount of vocal freedom I've now regained is one of the biggest breakthroughs I've had.

Sometimes, all you have to do is go back to the basics and let your voice re-learn the technique. I hope this helps!

Chrystal

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Getting very frustrated...

Hello.... The title says it all....

I posted a blog earlier in regards to sinus issues... but I don't think that's the whole problem... when I do any drill my voice doesn't remain stable (especially with no's and mums).... my vibrato is not developping.... I can't sing songs using head voice..... I can sing a little higher in chest voice when singing a song but not during drills.... I know i should put up sample clips but the drills make me sound soooo much worse than i really am.... oh, and i'm having difficulting staying connected still... i do some of the drills i've seen in the videos and i can keep it connected in a slide from high to low but not when applied in a drill.... i'm on session three (and the rockets red glare) for almost four weeks I think.....

wow, that's a big paragraph... i'm sorry, i just needed to blog out my frustrations... i'll keep working becausei really want this but you know, it just gets tough sometimes... if you have any advice, thanks... if you don't, sorry i wasted your time XD

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Ya,.. you keep searching for the right thing that works for you. I did the same,..tried this,.. ditched it,.. tried that,.. ditched it. Then found something that made sense and also started to work. Wasnt magic or easy,.. but not a dead end.

I've been trying to find different ways to do the drills and the only way i can find is the way i'm doing them now.... i think i might go back to lesson 1 and start again :/

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About Nays

There's a video that Chris Keller says that the nays shouldn't be whinny. But, Brett says you have to cry and create this whinny sound so the vocal cords stay together and there's a way into mix. I'm confused. Anyone to light it up?

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I actually wrote an article on my Wordpress about the matter just now, it seemed appropriate somehow. Smile

It's pretty much the same thing I wrote above except it abit more detailed. Smile

http://efsing.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/the-nays-high-or-low-larynx/

I like your blog! Also, I discovered that I was kind of doin' nothing to my voice while doing the 'nays'. What I mean: watched Jesse's Beginners Hang-ups.

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Lip Roll Help

Apparently I have been doing the lip rolls in a wrong fashion for a very long time. It seems that I have been holding back air a bit too much in order to try to connect through the bridges, instead of letting the air do the work. I think this developed unnecessary muscles in my throat, and it is now very hard to do the lip rolls the right way. Any tips on bringing my voice back so that I can do the lip rolls as easy as it should be? Thanks!

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Where Singing Success Fails

I have used the Singing Success program for almost two years now. For the first year and a half, I strictly followed all the instructions given by the CDs (dopey lip rolls, for example). I realized the program was actually making me use and develop unnecessary muscles around the neck because the program does not address the topic of WEIGHT enough. I am a baritone and if I were to do dopey lip rolls to start my exercises, I would have so much weight by the end of all the exercises, and my voice would be fatigued. I continued on practicing like this because I believed following their instructions was the only thing I could do.

Then, about half a year ago, I found this forum and the free Singing Success videos. This is where I found Jesse's videos about weight, and how people like me should use neutral larynx lip rolls and that GOING INTO FALSETTO WAS OKAY if my goal was to drop my weight. In the Singing Success CDs, they talked about falsetto as if it's a coordination that will destroy your connection between head and chest voice. This made me fear falsetto and made me pull up chest voice in order to not go into falsetto or flip. But guess what, for a baritone like me, going into falsetto led me to start from a RIGHT FOUNDATION without any weight! I am finally BEGINNING to make progress, after two years. I can finally truly connect from chest to head voice. For tenors, connection isn't too much of a problem because their head voice and chest voice don't have too big a difference in tone, but for people like me, connection is such a hard goal to achieve.

Singing Success should address the topic of weight in more depth. The program would work beautifully for the light voices, but it could be destroying many low voices out there.

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so true. i did ss & MM for about 9 months, and now after like 5 lessons, i've grown more than i had in all the time before

Jeredmckenna. I think not addressing the issues of vocal weight is a huge blunder.

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Tone Placement

The tone should feel like you're placing it outwards...This means you're likely getting good resonance, and therefore the notes you're singing are projecting well with crisp tone. From there, how "round" you make the notes (vowel shaping) will determine how big your sound and tone is.

It's great that you're focusing on the sensations of singing. You're getting to know your voice well. Keep up the great work.

Thanks for the great answer and encouragement! Just what I was looking for Very Happy

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WEIGHT!

My voice is very low and carries a lot of weight. Is it okay to do the exercises (nays, mums) in light falsetto to drop all of my weight first, then add presence and bite little by little? Or is doing exercises in falsetto an absolute "no" no matter what? Thanks in advance!

Hey Carl, I take it you took lessons from Jesse? How long and how did that all progress for you?

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About Jesse's New Tip: "Adding Bite"

What should I do if I keep getting airy as I go up into the mix range? And also, as I go up, when I do the "ee ee ee ee", every "ee" makes my diaphram bounce a little bit, even when i do it really softly. Is that okay? Or should my diaphram not move at all and make this exercise only about the vocal cords? Thanks in advance!

Forgot to add...Is my diaphram moving and pushing air because of my loss of compression? (the diaphram having to push more air out to make out the pitch)

Hi, i'm still working on my range as well...but i found i can do those ee ee ee very easely or using my diaphram like that. When my belly is doing that i'm pushing or squeezing and trying too hard, even the slightest push will make my belly do that or tighten up. And get a really hoarsy throat!! Even when it doesn't hurt doing the exercise.But listen carefully to Jesse in the video Smile

It should be really easy. You should just be saying the ee's don't think about singing. Just say them. Just say heee, kinda like a sigh. Then you go ee ee...and then when you go higher you go into your headvoice and get your mix. Like Jesse demonstrates

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Starting Light vs. Vocal Compression/Edge

I always hear that you need to start light. When I do the exercises light though, for example the "nay"s, it comes out very breathy. So I try to add the really nasal sound, and while I do get some compression, I also feel some strain. But I just saw recent videos of Chris And Jesse talking about the Nays. Chris said don't try to sound nasal and squeaky like the CD told us to. I also saw Jesse's "Beginner Hang-Ups" video and how he did the nays so light while having the edge, not sounding breathy. What should I do? I'm really confused by all of these information Sad

. Should I just keep doing them super light in falsetto until the muscles build onto the compression?

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It depends on what you mean by flip. You shouldn't have any sudden change from chestvoice to headvoice or where you are producing the tone in a different way but should sound smooth and the same. A little glitch like a moment loss in compression should fix its self.

A good rule of thumb is...if you find it difficult to do the exercise lightly, you'll strain at full voice. If the voice seems breathy and you're certain you're doing the exercises properly, the head voice just needs time to develop. Keep working at it and the chords will connect. Then, you can slowly add weight to it, safely, for a bigger sound.